[a_principal]

In every democratic system I know, when you abstain, it means - like PTA members say - you don't have a clear opinion or are not interested or whatever, then you're ok to let the others decide.

But, in HH+, your abstention equals a NO++: with 15 PTA members, if 6 members (more than a third) vote No, your proposal can pass... but it can't if these 6 members do not care enough to vote !

I know it's only a game, but if the word democracy means anything, why don't you change that?

I have to say I play this game since the beginning and I didn't notice that before. Shame on me...

In real life democratic systems, you often require a voting quorum in order to decide a question, and abstention may or may not prevent someone from counting toward meeting the quorum.

Presumably the PTA has the quorum set at 2/3, and requires an active vote in order to be counted toward the quorum, so you only pass measures where there's enough interest, more of those who care are in favour, and no-one is prepared to veto.

If at least a third of the PTA feels they don't have enough information to offer an opinion on the matter, then it's reasonable to defer deciding until people have had the chance to research and decide.

Ok, I knew about quorums. I have to admit I never thought about it here... because I didn't find the word quorum in the rules: there are so many rules I maybe missed it and missed the part about the required active vote too.

Thanks for your quick answer. From now, I'll take a note about members who abstain and, if they abstain again in the next meeting, let me say I'll be very angry !  A whole week for nothing? So, no respect for their mission? 

[Reddead]

I haven't looked into it since I don't know enough about it, but wouldn't this be a way to reverse the censorship on the images?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimeResearch/comments/wuhn0u/deepcreampy_hentai_guide_installation_and_anime/

Or have an AI create entirely new images.

[TBBle]

I haven't looked into it since I don't know enough about it, but wouldn't this be a way to reverse the censorship on the images?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimeResearch/comments/wuhn0u/deepcreampy_hentai_guide_installation_and_anime/

Or have an AI create entirely new images.

Someone's experimented with this at https://henthighschool.net/hhs-mods/mod-ai-decensor/ if you want to have a look.

[psix]

Tell me what are the conditions for creating a bdsm club, opening Practical Sex Education lesson.

[⚧ Squark]

Okay, so I'm playing a Futa and have raised Sally Proudbottom and Priscilla Rosenlace's relationship scores with the Player Character to over 20.
Yet they keep shooting down my requests for a Striptease.
"After all I don't swing that way". Well, this much I understand. I have no problem there.
"But maybe someday!" WTF is this... Are you just messing with me or something?

So then I just quit out and the PC throws out a line about them being fetching and I get a +1 Relationship score for it - which is how I got them from Relationship 10 to Relationship 20.
This is silly. One of the students (who also "doesn't swing that way") happily stripped for me when I asked for it.

And the we have Peach Proudbottom. One gift and it's "I don't need anything". Her Subtype is "Lover" now.
I am NOT reverting EVERYONE back to the previous system just for her.
I find Seduction far more rewarding than Drugs/Hypno when it works. But I'm not seeing any other way forward in the above three cases. Yes, they are all written to be 100% straight but so was that one student I mentioned. Maybe her arousal had something to do with it.

[TBBle]

Arousal probably has a lot to do with it, and also I believe loyalty (or authority for students? I forget precisely, the GenSex docs probably have the full formulas) also turns into an effective way to override lacking underlying attraction.

The general relationship-building system's pretty old and might feel a bit clunky; particularly in how it tells you what you need to know, or rather fails to do so. I'm not sure if "maybe someday" means "Your -50 attraction penalty for sexual preference mismatch still left the total above 0", or is just a throwaway line.

As they say, "so's spaghetti until it gets wet".

Lack of gift options in the new NPC archetypes system is just one of those WIP things, I guess. Unless "Lover" is the "high lust" archetype and hence you only need one gift and then you can catch then at an arousal peak?

[dalzomo]

I've found even the slightest amounts of grunge to affect my ask for sex results negatively. Enough so that my principal has turned into something of a neat freak, showering quite frequently. I keep meaning to check if cologne would offset it some but keep forgetting to, plus I'm afraid the showering would wash off the cologne and I'd just burn through it too fast if it's not bugged to be infinitely usable like razors are

I've also found strange results for some ask for sex options. Like the same NPC would react with revulsion if I ask them to striptease, but say "maybe someday" if I ask to fondle them in the changing room shower - an interaction I would think is more lewd

[TBBle]

Player's grunge will point-for-point offset both Appearance/Stamina and Charisma, i.e. it's counted twice, when calculating how attracted an NPC is to the player.

I realised the formula is not actually documented in the GenSex doc; the VEE event GetAttraction is simply named, but the math is not given.

For "How attracted is an NPC to the player":

Spoiler

• (MC Appearance + MC Stamina - MC Grunge - NPC Appearance) / 4 : -50..50
• (Absolute difference of NPC Authority and MC Willpower)/ 5 : 0..20
• (Absolute difference of NPC Willpower and MC Authority)/ 5 : 0..20
• (MC Charisma - MC Grunge) / 4 : -25..25
• Gender attraction score: -60..5
• (A relationship bonus: NPC's relationship towards the MC x 2 capped at 100, with a fallback to a friendship or loyalty-based calculation capped at 50) / 4: 0..25

These are all added up, and multiplied with any penalties (50% to 120% each) for large age differences or incest, moderated by related fetishes, and corruption.

Then capped into a range of 0..100, but the raw range is -75..140 before penalties or gender-attraction score checking, so the range skews low, and trying to flip someone's orientation makes it much harder.

Note that there's a comment over to the right in the GetAttraction VEE event, but it doesn't match the actual logic correctly in the relationship bonus.

To give some context, Susan Hooter for example starts at Appearance 40, Authority 20, Willpower 80, and Loyalty 10. So if you turn off HasQuest checking, and build friendship to 100 and hence Relationship to 10, and have say 80 in your stats across the board and are male, your attraction will be (75 - (grunge x 2)), i.e. 30 grunge will absolutely tank her attraction. And for harder cases, grunge can easily be the difference.

[close]

So yeah, grunge is probably the most-impactful attribute for this calculation, it has equal weighting with the relationship score but greater impact.

And that's before considering that attraction is also combined with arousal and current stamina energy level (and maybe others, I forget) when determining sexual interactions. A striptease for example might get an inhibition bonus/penalty that isn't applied to shower fondling, but I haven't looked.

[⚧ Squark]

Grunge should be handled differently, IMO. The player usually wakes up with between 4 and 6 Grunge on average.
With current calculations, this means starting each day with an overblown attractiveness penalty.

Grunge affecting Appearance and Charisma, yes. That's fine. But just why is Stamina brought into the calculation? I can't understand that at all.

[barteke22]

With the exact stats you listed Hooter's attraction would be close to 70 depending on her gender preferences ((80+80-30-40)/4) + (abs(20-80)/5) + (abs(80-80)/5) + ((80-30)/4) + X + X.

Grunge penalty is closer to 1-1.25x, since for the 1/4th portion the MC starts at 100 (50 Appearance & 50 Stamina).
Might still be high, but it basically does less than arousal did previously.

Stamina is the only measure of 'fitness' we have, around 75 would be someone with slight abs / sporty body.

Sex requires minimum 20-30 Attraction, and then the Willingness (Attraction + stuff like lust & relationship) determines the rest.


If you don't like it, feel free to propose a better step by step calculation for everything (these are in some way part of things like dating, flirt, askforsex, and a bunch of other minor systems) in the Game balance thread. Feel free to redo all these systems.

I only took in a few of the requests that didn't require scrapping everything:  Hints for what was already there (gender, age, etc penalties + some new ones & flirting), bugfixes (calculation was giving 100 points too many by accident), making it less reliant on arousal (previously Arousal was more impactful than current Grunge, requiring 50/70+ for most things), making relationship or lust (casual) more impactful (they can at a point mostly replace arousal now).

[TBBle]

With the exact stats you listed Hooter's attraction would be close to 70 depending on her gender preferences ((80+80-30-40)/4) + (abs(20-80)/5) + (abs(80-80)/5) + ((80-30)/4) + X + X.

Grunge penalty is closer to 1-1.25x, since for the 1/4th portion the MC starts at 100 (50 Appearance & 50 Stamina).

How do you figure that? 30 grunge by my count drops attraction by 15, while 30 appearance raises attraction by only 7.5. There's no clamping-to-positive before it's all added together, so including it twice in the calculation makes it twice as impactful as any other of the "/4" factors.

As seen in the "Exact stats" comparison (ignoring the relationship bonus and gender-match) for 30 grunge:

((80+80-0-40)/4) + (abs(20-80)/5) + (abs(80-80)/5) + ((80-0)/4) = 62 (base case)
((80+80-30-40)/4) + (abs(20-80)/5) + (abs(80-80)/5) + ((80-30)/4) = 47 (+30 grunge)
((20+80-0-40)/4) + (abs(20-80)/5) + (abs(80-80)/5) + ((80-0)/4) = 47 (-60 appearance)

To be clear, I don't think grunge having a higher impact is a problem specifically. It's so much easier to improve than any other stat anyway, as there's no grinding involved. And showering/bathing gives back some energy as well, which improves willingness checks as well.

[whocares616]

is there away to turn on the pc cam events for when you get horny instead of just searching for porn ? or was it fully removed ?

[dalzomo]

is there away to turn on the pc cam events for when you get horny instead of just searching for porn ? or was it fully removed ?

they're at different thresholds of horniness. You need to be hornier to look for camgirls than to jerk off, apparently

[TBBle]

I'd be surprised if any events have been removed, but I'm not sure which events you're talking about.

This is on the home PC, right? There's a "Search for cam whore" event but it's rather incomplete and only appears if the player is male and attracted to males. (It's also only visible if the player is over 75 arousal.)

[⚧ Squark]

There's a "Search for cam whore" event but it's rather incomplete and only appears if the player is male and attracted to males.

This makes me sad.