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Started by barteke22, May 27, 2022, 11:38 PM

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richex

#165
i am really need some tips from relationship gain with adults and students, like:
How gain relationship without hypnosis and drugs, i know i can call to a date, but students u cant call to dates, i read the Slutzky is the most easy, but she dont accept, and i work out and shave always is possible.

i saw someone ask about if Andy questline is unfinished, i want to know the same, i am most in m/m content, and i do m/f content just because is needed.

Just with hipnosis and droping toys increase corruption? Because i am already in the cabaret event with culinary club, and corrupting Slutzky and the club president helps, right?

About the slave event, u can just have a girl, or can have a slave boy?

Sorry for so many questions ^^'

TBBle

#166
Quote from: richex on Feb 02, 2023, 04:45 AMi am really need some tips from relationship gain with adults and students, like:
How gain relationship without hypnosis and drugs, i know i can call to a date, but students u cant call to dates, i read the Slutzky is the most easy, but she dont accept, and i work out and shave always is possible.

I wrote up what worked for me at the time at https://henthighschool.net/hhs/gameplay-questions-38/msg2221/#msg2221, however I haven't tried the most recent release's changes to the flirting/present system, so it's possible it got harder with those changes. (Or easier...) At the time I wrote that, as long as all the flirts were done correctly, I'd never found a need to take anyone on dates to get a relationship to sexual.

One thing I didn't note at the time that might affect you is that if the target does not include the MC in their current sexual orientation, they will be harder to flirt with, and more likely to refuse an invitation even if you're clean, attractive, and they're aroused. It's basically a huge penalty to the "attraction" check (like being grungy), so you can still overcome this by being completely clean, very fit, and catching the desired NPC really turned on.

Apart from quest-driven "falls in love with MC" events, a brief poke around suggests sexual orientation will only change due to consensual, non-paid genital-only sex with someone they weren't oriented for. I suspect this is a legacy from when the sexual orientation values were boolean (and perhaps they still are for NPCs?) and could probably be made more nuanced than the current "One cock/trib and you're bi" approach.

But for now, turning someone bi is probably quite an annoying grind as you build them up to get to 4th base despite the penalty, as the kids say, and then suddenly they're gay for moleman attracted to everyone.

The other option is to play a very-small-breasted futanari, since everyone except hetero futas are sexually oriented towards futas. "Everyone loves futas" is also a bit coarse-grained, but I'm certainly not volunteering to rejig everything to make NPCs work on the same attraction-slider system that the MC uses (but only for arousal changes, I think?). It's possible a plan exists for this and just needs implementation, or perhaps such an idea has been rejected.

Quote from: richex on Feb 02, 2023, 04:45 AMJust with hipnosis and droping toys increase corruption? Because i am already in the cabaret event with culinary club, and corrupting Slutzky and the club president helps, right?

Individual corruption is hard to raise directly, I agree. One thing that works up to a point is witnessing a public sex act, e.g. messing with an uninhibited teacher while they are teaching, but that tends to also cost reputation. Also, if someone has a slavery fetish, giving them a slave collar will increase corruption gradually up to a certain level. There might also be some sex acts that raise corruption, I vaguely recall corrupting Stacey this way once. It's also possible in that case I gave up and used hypnosis.

From memory, the design is that corruption rises slowly, globally, to start with, but accelerates over time as more-corrupt people do more-corrupt things in front of more-corruptable people. You can help this by completing a few of the questlines, e.g. Sayako, or the Secret Panty Exchange club.

The only thing I recall having a painfully-high corruption requirement with no mechanism to reach it is the Cosplay Club's event series, and that's also the point where it's marked "TODO". The club presidents usually have multiple possible triggers, including hypnosis. That said, sometimes those triggers are harder to hit than corruption.

richex

Quote from: TBBle on Feb 02, 2023, 11:51 AM
Quote from: richex on Feb 02, 2023, 04:45 AMi am really need some tips from relationship gain with adults and students, like:
How gain relationship without hypnosis and drugs, i know i can call to a date, but students u cant call to dates, i read the Slutzky is the most easy, but she dont accept, and i work out and shave always is possible.

I wrote up what worked for me at the time at https://henthighschool.net/hhs/gameplay-questions-38/msg2221/#msg2221, however I haven't tried the most recent release's changes to the flirting/present system, so it's possible it got harder with those changes. (Or easier...) At the time I wrote that, as long as all the flirts were done correctly, I'd never found a need to take anyone on dates to get a relationship to sexual.



I read all this topic before writing, i just needed some more specific info, thx.

I was wondering somethings, what are archtypes, sub-archtypes and personality? How their influence the characters? And mods can create new archtypes or there is any operation to test if x person has y archtype or sub-arthtype?

TBBle

Quote from: richex on Feb 02, 2023, 06:38 PMI was wondering somethings, what are archtypes, sub-archtypes and personality? How their influence the characters? And mods can create new archtypes or there is any operation to test if x person has y archtype or sub-arthtype?

Archetypes and Personalities are the two axes on which a person's friendship-building actions (flirting and miniquests) can vary. New in 1.10.4.0, a sub-archetype is just the combination of those two, used for unique hobby and miniquest filtering, that I can see. That version also added a bunch of new archetypes, going from five to 12.

The way it's implemented right now, adding new sub-archetypes (and hence adding new archetypes or personalities) would be hard in a mod, as they're handled by a couple of large hard-coded VEE files in FunctionLibrary/Population, so you'd have to override and replace at least those two, and perhaps any other places (I didn't look around too much).

The main extension point for this system is adding new mini-quests in ExtensionLibrary/Chat/FavorMiniquests. Each miniquest can exclude itself for particular people, based on any attribute, e.g., the "Request alcohol" favour rejects students who are not rebels or stoners.

I'll note that it looks like the newly-added archetypes in 1.10.4.0 were not added to the Flirt interaction or the 'Social Profile' system that it uses (looking at 1.10.4.2), so anyone with one of the new archetypes cannot successfully have their body complimented, or something insightful said about them, removing access to up to 40 points of friendship (and hence 4 relationship points) out of the 70 normally available by flirting. It looks like you can do all the applicable miniquests for a person, rather than  being hard-limited to three, but there's only 12 and many of them are archetype-limited, so I suspect the upshot here is that you can't actually get new-archetype NPCs up to 100 friendship/10 relationship in order to enable dating and sex.

I'll report that in the bug-report thread.

Masked

I do want to note the Personality and Archetype update is unfinished, as it was essentially the biggest thing that was delaying updates. Most likely will be finished going forward.

dcsobral

#170
Quote from: richex on Feb 02, 2023, 04:45 AMi am really need some tips from relationship gain with adults and students, like:
How gain relationship without hypnosis and drugs, i know i can call to a date, but students u cant call to dates, i read the Slutzky is the most easy, but she dont accept, and i work out and shave always is possible.

Just with hipnosis and droping toys increase corruption? Because i am already in the cabaret event with culinary club, and corrupting Slutzky and the club president helps, right?

Sorry for so many questions ^^'

1. Talk to them. You can get friendship from asking various things at various points. Some things are safe at all times, such as asking about their family. Others require a certain level of friendship.
2. Ask if they need something then do it.
3. Flirt.
4. Once you get to 3 hearts of friendship, ask for their phone number.
5. Call them and have smalltalk. You can call them multiple times a day, if you wait a few hours between calls. You can max out friendship with this.

Increasing relationship can be much, much slower. Generally speaking, you need to do relationship stuff. Even if they don't accept your proposal, it might still slightly increase the relationship. Kissing and asking out on a date can either helpful or unhelpful (at low relationship) depending on the personality.

Weirdly, for some people asking out on a date will work after sex. This might be related to the afterglow effect reducing willpower, which leads me to my last tip.

Influence them. Reduce their willpower and inhibition, increase their lust and corruption. This is, in my opinion, what the game is about. Every subject they take will influence them in some way. Clubs will influence them in some way. PTA policies will influence them in some way. This is passive and applies to all students affected by it. And you can move students between classes, which makes it possible to create classes whose subjects are intended to "break" the students assigned to it in some way.

So, for example, you can add new students to a theology-heavy class to increase their respect for you, and then move them over to a class heavy in theoretical sex education and swimming to lose them up.

A student with very low levels of inhibition and willpower and high levels of lust and corruption will have sex with you without any previous level in friendship/relationship, and at the same time reject kissing and dating!

So, yeah, plan the curriculum of your classes carefully, and move students of interest (hehe) to tailored classes.

Beyond that, there's a whole bunch of possibilities, like dropping pornographic magazines, dildos and slave collars in locations such as the library or the changing rooms, having a library with the librarian for the related events, events in the park and forest, etc.

Quote from: richex on Feb 02, 2023, 04:45 AMAbout the slave event, u can just have a girl, or can have a slave boy?

Just girls. Honestly, I find the slave event a bit boring. Depending on how you handle it you can actually get to kidnap students for slaves... and turn them over to the slavers! Even though I don't like playing the slave route often -- too repetitive, imho --, I'd very much like to move on from rescuing+slaving a kidnapped student to perform the kidnapping myself when I do play that route.

RATRTA

Do npcs have sex with each other or any other interactions? if so is there way to look at a log for their interactions

blumph

Quote from: RATRTA on Mar 02, 2023, 05:47 PMDo npcs have sex with each other or any other interactions? if so is there way to look at a log for their interactions


Not that I've been able to find; they will, however, 'enjoy themselves' with items you give them (or leave lying about) - there will be a 'stat crawl' in the upper left; this will show who and what (and if you've handed out Futa drugs, their body changes will also show up).

dalzomo

what does purchasing the school fence and high wall do? I don't see them mentioned in the "JPS full guide" I use, nor did a search on these boards get any hits. From their vague description I'd expect them to maybe reduce or eliminate reputation losses for actions on campus? If they prevent the kidnapping event I can't use them. I love my slave farm

TBBle

#174
Quote from: dalzomo on Mar 10, 2023, 01:13 PMwhat does purchasing the school fence and high wall do?

They reduce reputation loss from some of the more-questionable uniforms. It's possible some events interact with them, e.g., reducing reputation loss or perhaps allowing something at lower inhibition, but I don't recall any specific such cases off-hand.

I don't believe they interfere with kidnapping, as they don't seem to prevent students climbing _out_.

Edit: I checked, the only event that is affected by them non-cosmetically is also simply reducing reputation loss when nude or nearly-nude students are having lunch in the schoolyard.

xoxo1001

Is there a way to reset a character's questline?

TBBle

Quote from: xoxo1001 on Mar 23, 2023, 03:39 PMIs there a way to reset a character's questline?

Not generically. Each questline is managed individually, so you'd have to use the debugger to reset a bunch of different things back to their original state, including rescheduling events and changing variables inside them.

dalzomo

So after having Practical Sex Ed. on the roster for months and not seeing any events specific to it like I did for Theoretical Sex Ed. and do for the Bondage class, I was looking at Practical Sex Ed. and noticed it has the note "this class is yet to be evaluated" in school management. What do I have to do to initiate this evaluation and I assume more events? IIRC the event to evaluate the Theoretical Sex Ed. class occurred when I was in my office, but I haven't seen any such event yet for PSE and I've been to my office loads of times

TBBle

Quote from: dalzomo on Mar 31, 2023, 11:37 AMI was looking at Practical Sex Ed. and noticed it has the note "this class is yet to be evaluated" in school management. What do I have to do to initiate this evaluation and I assume more events?

Since you have Bondage class (which is enabled by the PSE in-class demo), this means you're only missing the final step in the PSE chain, which is triggered when you're in the hallway outside the PSE class while Samantha Keller is teaching it.

Note that this event requires 6 male and 6 female-or-futa students in the class; at least 2 of the females must be large-breasted non-special, and one male needs to be non-special. So if you've been filtering your school into massive gender imbalance or sorting classes by gender, or making wild use of the breast-reduction drugs, the event may not trigger.

Also, if the event tries to trigger but the class is not taught at all or isn't taught by Sam Keller, it won't check again for a week, so it's possible if you had another teacher teaching the class, putting Sam Keller back in charge will still require a week before it'll run.

A few of the "drop-in-on-class" events for PSE don't require this final step, but they also have their own requirements around content filter, student mix, school sex-event level, students not being in nude/bondage uniform, etc.

dalzomo

#179
Quote from: TBBle on Apr 01, 2023, 04:36 PM
Quote from: dalzomo on Mar 31, 2023, 11:37 AMI was looking at Practical Sex Ed. and noticed it has the note "this class is yet to be evaluated" in school management. What do I have to do to initiate this evaluation and I assume more events?

Since you have Bondage class (which is enabled by the PSE in-class demo), this means you're only missing the final step in the PSE chain, which is triggered when you're in the hallway outside the PSE class while Samantha Keller is teaching it.

Note that this event requires 6 male and 6 female-or-futa students in the class; at least 2 of the females must be large-breasted non-special, and one male needs to be non-special. So if you've been filtering your school into massive gender imbalance or sorting classes by gender, or making wild use of the breast-reduction drugs, the event may not trigger.

Also, if the event tries to trigger but the class is not taught at all or isn't taught by Sam Keller, it won't check again for a week, so it's possible if you had another teacher teaching the class, putting Sam Keller back in charge will still require a week before it'll run.

A few of the "drop-in-on-class" events for PSE don't require this final step, but they also have their own requirements around content filter, student mix, school sex-event level, students not being in nude/bondage uniform, etc.
Thanks. I don't filter my school by anything special except having most of the quest-related and special-to-me (like Annette and my slaves) in class 1. But none of the other classes are filtered, all of them are roughly equal in male:female ratio aside from a few futa in each, and they all have PSE at some point during the week. I haven't given anyone any body mod drugs except Melkers for her quest chain. Samantha Keller has been the only teacher for TSE and PSE and now Bondage

I'll start stalking the hallways I guess. Does it require a specific uniform policy because I had progressed to nude uniform and only recently regressed it back to normal in a check for missed events with plans to go back to sexy and maybe bondage eventually. I wasn't getting any events that seemed specific to Anatomy class either and I've had the option to pass various model policies for a while. I thought they were supposed to be initiated by the teacher so I thought I was missing stuff there too and read stuff here and in the guide that uniform policy fuckery could muck things up