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Girl Pack discussion thread

Started by Leortha, May 09, 2022, 09:45 PM

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Bloonut34

So I found two girlpacks on the database spreadsheet that have working links to folders that don't contain the girlpacks anymore. (Palutena from Kid Icarus and Velvet Scarlintina from RWBY.) Would this count as a dead link that needs reporting? I'm second-guessing myself because I'm not sure if reporting those links would somehow cause every entry using those links to disappear, and the linked folders do still contain some girlpacks.
If so, the comment on the "Dead Link Report" column says "This is not yet accurate, please comment on a sheet if you notice the link is dead," but I'm not able to leave a comment. Do I need to request edit access? Because I don't think I should be given full access to the doc, but there's only one option to request.

Also, I've updated some of my own girlpacks (added pics, added folders, and renamed pics). How would I go about getting the database to reflect the changes?
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vadi92

Quote from: Bloonut34 on Feb 16, 2025, 08:06 PMSo I found two girlpacks on the database spreadsheet that have working links to folders that don't contain the girlpacks anymore. (Palutena from Kid Icarus and Velvet Scarlintina from RWBY.) Would this count as a dead link that needs reporting? I'm second-guessing myself because I'm not sure if reporting those links would somehow cause every entry using those links to disappear, and the linked folders do still contain some girlpacks.
If so, the comment on the "Dead Link Report" column says "This is not yet accurate, please comment on a sheet if you notice the link is dead," but I'm not able to leave a comment. Do I need to request edit access? Because I don't think I should be given full access to the doc, but there's only one option to request.

Also, I've updated some of my own girlpacks (added pics, added folders, and renamed pics). How would I go about getting the database to reflect the changes?

Back then i made a list of the dead links. (so far not much have changed in deleting those in that regard.) The only thing you can do is adding your girlpacks. Other then that you can't really do anything. Only LewdVoid have acces to do anything there so far. But we didnt seen him since then.

Goldo

Quote from: calcifer on Feb 07, 2025, 07:52 PMI mean profile can be still be used as a backup in all those places including jobgirl pictures.  In my mind a backup is an option only if there is no other options available, which i think would still be appropriate for jobgirl pictures amd everywhere else.  This is all ignoring how much work this would really be if this was the path Goldo wanted to go down.

I'm coming at this from a different angle. Some UI elements fit better with a vertical pic, some with a horizontal pic. All picture Objects should know their dimensions and thus if they are vertical or not (I need to double check but pretty sure it can be done).

So, I think changing the picture selection algorithm in the code to give more weight to vertical pics for profile pictures, and more weight to horizontal pictures for events, sounds much better to me than to try and change the tagging system (and then getting pack creators to care about it, use it correctly, and redo all existing packs).

But maybe I misunderstood your suggestion.
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YPJ

Quote from: Jman on Feb 12, 2025, 07:11 PM4. Job tags don't really combine with profile as such, i.e. the image shown in the 'girls' screen.

Are u sure about job and profile combine? I have 1 pack where got job+profile images and i have waitress profile and portrait images when make her waitress. Several times. I will check this later today to be sure. Mb it's because im using "more accurate pictures" option?

Jman

#289
Well, kinda. What happens is that job tags are banned from profile search if the girl is not working that job. Kinda similar to what happens with emotion tags. But you're not guaranteed a 'profile [job]' image.

And this behaviour itself seems to have been introduced sometime in 0.2. 0.15 didn't have nearly that elaborate profile searching.

Also, profile changes are not instant. You need to either start a new day or dress/undress her.


'Accuracy over variety' merely makes the 'generic' pool's weights smaller, so they occur less often. It doesn't really ban anything.
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YPJ

so its work... kinda. :)
as for me its looks cooler

YPJ

hi
several new questions
-toys
what to combine with? i combine this with rest but now i understand this is bad idea coz i got this images even when girl didn't use toys. so it good with fetish if it used by someone else. when girl use it - just tag toys. am i right? and that's all?
-rest
just rest and naked rest? and optional beach/nature/town
-swimming suit
how to use it right? same for bunny/maid/kimono? it combine with jobs and some events and thats all?
-sing
just solo tag for event?
-cosplay
only combine with naked and some sex tags (sex/fetish/bisex) or there is some other options?
-masturbate (solo girl image)
can be just solo or naked. there is no need to combine with something else? or should i add rest tag?
-market
if i use for example marked + naked + bound will it showing in naked training?
-cum (solo girl image)
if i just tag cum + body i will work? did game will find it even for service and sex or no? and better not combine with naked.
-rimming
if i use only this tag this should work for all situations or i need to add fetish?
-fetish
if girl for example bound and being fucked, this sex of fetish or tag both? or fetish should always be without penetrating? its like dirty kind of service yes?)
-group
when girl make blowjob for 1 and sex with 2 thats still sex, not service, but did i need tag oral then?
-2girl + 2boy
how to tag this? or just dont use it?
-hurt
how to use it and combine with?

did game have some other strange combination like dirty+hurt+rest for farm?

Jman

#292
'Toy' is largely a backup tag, the only case when the game actually looks for 'toy' first is the rest-time masturbation event (when you give her a toy and she's got enough Libido). I'd just tag the actual toy in the picture, and leave this tag for when none of the specific toy tags fit.



'Rest' should also have 'libido' and 'libido naked' (most pictures benefit from having all combinations of emotion tags, 'libido' and 'naked'). Adding 'rest dirty hurt', 'rest hurt', 'rest masseuse' and 'rest masseuse naked' would cover the other less common but not quite rare cases.



'Swimsuit' is largely a backup for 'beach'. 'Swimsuit beach' as part of a (mostly sex-related) query is not entirely unheard of, though. There are some events that look for 'swimsuit' first, but they're kinda too specific to tag for naturally. Frankly, trying to specifically tag all the in-game combos here doesn't look all that sane, even if there are only perhaps a dozen of them.


'Bunny' is never used, it's basically the same as putting 'waitress cosplay' onto the image, just shorter. I think Chris's SimBrothel C does use it, though?

'Maid' is only used for the morning obedience event and one contract, it's a backup tag everywhere else it might matter.

'Kimono' is also just a backup tag for cosplay, and otherwise equivalent to 'geisha'.



'Sing' is indeed only the one event and otherwise acts as 'dancer'.



'Cosplay' as a fixation combines with nudity, fetish and bisexual, so these three. But if you want your pack to be future-proof or work with other games, I'd still add it if there's obvious cosplay going on during e.g. some backdoor action.


Masturbation can occur during service, so 'mast service' at least. 'Mast dirty hurt' for farm libido resting. 'Toy' takes priority for rest-time masturbatrion, but you can use 'mast rest' too.


'Market' is never a filter tag, so yeah, it'll show.


Just 'cob' should apply for MC training. I think it won't be the first choice, though, but it'll go into the 'generic' pool.


Rimming can also be attached to service, so both 'rim service' and 'rim fetish' would be useful.


I'd say 'fetish bond' is the bondage and 'sex fetish bondage' is when she's getting dicked on top. Service is more foreplay (sometimes with a happy ending), fetish is all sorts of kinky shit.


'Oral' is a fixation itself that can attach to group sex, so definitely add that where applicable.


'Bisexual group' is indeed a thing, and the tagging tool even says it's what you should use for multiple males and females at the same time. There's even a special in-game tag for this combo, 'orgy'. Don't think anything specifically calls for it, though.


'Hurt'... well, she's roughed up. :-\ Combines with 'profile', 'mast dirty', 'rest dirty', 'rest', 'sad', 'sad beast' and the usual 'naked', 'libido' and emotion tags.



Again, I'll end this with a recommendation not to try to tag to the game, just what's in the image. Goldo tends to update and rewrite the game much faster than the average girlpack maker (most of whom never come back to theirs). So it's much easier to fix any problems on the game side than the girlpack side.
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YPJ

Quote from: Jman on Mar 12, 2025, 07:11 PM'Toy'
i mean all toys
so not actually need other tags if girl alone yes? (libido naked and emotions still need)

Quote from: Jman on Mar 12, 2025, 07:11 PM'Swimsuit'
im often use this for masseuse if it not beach on background.

Quote from: Jman on Mar 12, 2025, 07:11 PM'Sing'
so just sing will work

Quote from: Jman on Mar 12, 2025, 07:11 PM'Cosplay'
but if girl solo?

Quote from: Jman on Mar 12, 2025, 07:11 PMRimming
but if i tag just rimming it will work for service and fetish or no? or its not used without sexual tags?

Quote from: Jman on Mar 12, 2025, 07:11 PMfetish is all sorts of kinky shit.
so better not combine with actually sex?

Quote from: Jman on Mar 12, 2025, 07:11 PM'Bisexual group'
so it will be randomly showing for both?

Quote from: Jman on Mar 12, 2025, 07:11 PM'Hurt'
so it will work with rest/profile/portrait yes? got it.

sometimes when i tag everything what i see i got wrong images in game situations
so i just trying to understand how it work and trying to fill some rare events. coz PictureNamer didnt show everything and A+ pack rating mostly say nothing about it.

Jman

#294
You do kinda need sex act tags, since otherwise the tag goes into the 'generic' pool which can occur less often (1/4 if 'accuracy over variety is on, 1/2 otherwise) and gets shared between all relevant acts.

But if she's completely alone and neither 'naked' nor 'service' training applies, then yes, it can be a lone tag. But something like 'oral libido' can be dangerous. If she's actually sucking something hardcore, you don't want that pic to pop out of a search for 'libido'.


Your swimsuit use is fine if there's a dearth of actual bath/onsen/washing pictures.


Just 'sing' should work. 'Sing geisha' would work better.


A solo cosplayer can combine with 'naked'. But she might also qualify for entirely unrelated tags, too, like 'date'.


Just 'rim' will work alone, but it'll be less precise and might get less priority.


No, 'fetish' can definitely combine with other sex act tags.


'Bisexual group' is a special case, it shouldn't really show for pure 'bisexual'. It should be kinda possible for group orgies, or at least I recall the discussion about the 'orgy' tag being about that. Can't see anything relevant in the code, though. So while I'm not 100% sure, this is really not a normal BK image.

So, generally, you should not be getting 'group bis' images for group sex if you have relevant 'group' images without 'bis'. But if not, 'group bis' can come into play. Same for bisexual activities and 'bis' vs 'group bis'.

But there are settings for getting both 'group' and 'bisexual' to mix with regular images, which can get around that.


I don't think 'hurt' combines with 'portrait', and it only uses 'profile' in one specific case, not in general. You won't get 'hurt profile' in the girls screen when she's injured. I mean, you could, it's not forbidden, but it won't get prioritised, either.


If you see an image that doesn't fit, it's usually better to check the tags for conflicts ('naked' is the biggest source of that) and report it as an issue if the tag combination seems okay. Goldo can always add more filters if necessary.


Basically, the biggest thing to remember is that all the fixation tags are not by default sexual, so if you don't add one of the sex act tags, you can run into trouble. And 'naked' doesn't combine well with most sexual stuff.
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YPJ

ok thx

and where "date" used?

Jman

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YPJ

Quote from: Jman on Mar 12, 2025, 08:37 PMNo, 'fetish' can definitely combine with other sex act tags.
i think game say that fetish safe for virgin girls
so its ok to combine with service or anal but not with sex

Jman

#299
Where does it say that?

In any case, it's true enough. Virgin girls ban 'sex'-tagged images unless you're specifically looking for 'sex' or 'group'. But since forbidden tags can be dropped if no suitable images are be found, it's not impossible for a virgin to trigger 'fetish sex creampie' and still retain her maidenhead.

So it's usually safe enough to tag 'fetish sex anal service oral group double' if she's tied up and getting triple-penetrated.


@Goldo: I think it'd be better to test whether the image has 'sex' in the tags in addition to just act is being performed.
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