Quote from: neronero on Apr 30, 2024, 01:42 PM

Quote from: sjeongjin on Apr 25, 2024, 06:51 AMit seems like it means that making packs will become infinitely more difficult for people living in the US and UK

I don't know about other packmakers, but I've always preferred using a booru imageboard such as gelbooru as a source for my images, even if they're mostly reuploads that originally came from pixiv or other sources. All the images on a booru are pre-tagged which really speeds up the collecting & tagging process. So for my typical workflow this doesn't make much of a difference, as long as the artists can find a new way to secure their exposure/income. (edit: which could be a big if, ofcourse)

Back in the day I liked using Gelbooru too but nowadays I find that they ban most ai cg which I think has recently gotten to the point where some people can make images that basically 1 to 1 mimics the source making anime based packs especially better. The japanese yen is also dirt cheap so talented people on perftile were selling sometimes like 300 packs for as cheap as 3$, the downside being having to sort through thousands of images and running out of space on my hard drive lol. Packs that were impossible to make 3 years ago because of lack of images are possible to make now with quality that beats packs of the most popular characters made 3 years ago. Boorus also tend to have too much missing content especially uncensored or paid content like on fanbox which you can find on exhentai so usually I use gelbooru nowadays mainly for grabbing content sourced from twitter and stuff like nude filters which you wont find from pixiv.

I 100% get the speed part though, trying to finish tagging thousands of images is suffering.

I just find it a shame particularly because it feels like not a lot of people are making packs anymore even though for the past few months with the improvement of ai it feels like there's never been a better time to make packs and with pixiv and perftile self censoring derivative content that chance might just disappear. I've been tracking where a lot of artists have been going and for the most part its either been go to patreon where about 70% of them get banned for derivative content if they get caught and the rest going to gumroad where you pay 5$ per pack instead of 5$ for 100s.

All in all it feels like a regression to the days where only really popular characters have a chance to make semi decent packs.

pixiv and perftile will certainly become less popular with these decisions, but I find it difficult to believe that AI image generation will become less popular or reduce in quality as a result. These tools keep evolving and new images will be created and shared every day. Every moment from now on will be the best time to make a new pack, I'm not too worried on that front   (I am worried that AI will displace half a billion jobs, but that's another matter)

The amount of packmakers must be some percentage of BK's active playerbase, and we're in a bit of a lull now for one reason or another. Hope Leortha is doing well, we miss him most of all.

Quote from: neronero on May 02, 2024, 08:05 AMpixiv and perftile will certainly become less popular with these decisions, but I find it difficult to believe that AI image generation will become less popular or reduce in quality as a result. These tools keep evolving and new images will be created and shared every day. Every moment from now on will be the best time to make a new pack, I'm not too worried on that front   (I am worried that AI will displace half a billion jobs, but that's another matter)

The amount of packmakers must be some percentage of BK's active playerbase, and we're in a bit of a lull now for one reason or another. Hope Leortha is doing well, we miss him most of all.

Although I'm far from having any credibility or even forming any opinion on the topic, I find it interesting reading what some AI skeptics have been saying (like this one). If indeed AI increasingly feeds on itself, it's possible the quality will go down instead of up, and I can already imagine the nightmare of a self-fueling AI-led twitter. And it does seem like VC money is running out.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure my own job is safe, as it involves feeding bullshit to gullible execs, and AI can only help with that.

Quote from: Goldo on May 02, 2024, 09:07 AMAnyway, I'm pretty sure my own job is safe, as it involves feeding bullshit to gullible execs, and AI can only help with that.

That's the scary thing... AI has the potential to help with almost everything, but that doesn't mean it will make things better.

Unlike the blockchain hype, its benefits are much more clear to me. I don't see AI 1:1 taking jobs from humans, but I do think AI can make a lot of people more productive and/or versatile at their craft and companies will need to fill less salaried positions to deliver the same amount of work.

AI has made me way more productive and less reliant on external partners for my output ïn so many ways. Brainstorming/concepting, image editing, illustrations & stock imaging, background music for video editing, traffic with clients and suppliers, emails to bullshit to the boss, translating an application into dozens of languages... Everything is faster and cheaper with the assistance of AI tools. I'm pretty sure I'd be coding like a champ too if my bosses required it. The community dialogue project would've taken 5-10x the amount of work without LLMs.

The output may not be quite as good as how we used to work (taking our time to work together with more human experts) - but if the company & clients consider it good enough, then it's good enough. My job used to to require collaboration with dozens of people on a regular basis, internal and external to the company. Either all those jobs are being condensed down into 1 jack-of-all-trades employee collaborating with AI on many fronts, or everyone in the chain will have to 10x their output to prove they're still worth collaborating with.

I think for now the missing piece of the puzzle is quality control. If you can outsource your work to an AI, but 10% of the time, it hallucinates and produces bullshit, you still have to check its work every time. So you still need the human eye for anything serious.

I was surprised recently talking to a friend who's a freelance translator. I was sure he was losing business to AI, but he told me actually he didn't feel a noticeable effect. That's because when companies pay him to do a translation, it's for important stuff they can't afford to have an AI mess up. The unimportant stuff has been left for a long time to Google translate.

So I see a couple of ways this could go: either AI keeps progressing in leaps and bounds, and it will become its own corrector, but that will raise a lot more questions than just job disruptions (anyone wants an AI doctor or AI lawyer?). Or it will hit a glass-ceiling, because of technical or funding limitations, and the disruption will be similar in scope to the introduction of the search engine: a facilitator for many jobs, but not necessarily replacing many.

Looks like there's a Rance Lora: Someone more gifted than me could redo all the MC pictures to be Rance-like

basic economics theory has long since shown that when technology advances or improves usually what happens is the lowest skilled labor gets replaced by more high skilled or technical jobs. In the long term everyone is much better off ie. overall wealth/gdp improves but the people who get hurt in the process the most are the people with low skilled jobs that might lose their jobs to advancing tech. I for one am for a universal basic stipend to cover basic needs but I doubt that the USA will ever get to that point unfortunately. Anyways in the long term I doubt that pixiv and perftile's policies will affect ai image creation overall that much. What it does noticeably do right now is make it more expensive and harder to find people willing to create ai content for parody/derivative content since there's a lack of a clear platform that allows that which is what made perftile grow so fast in the first place. It was the #1 place for selling ai image content in japan and again it was pretty dirt cheap. I did manage to download around like 150 gbs of packs though in the past week so I think if I sat down and tried to make packs it might take me around half a  year to sort and tag through all the content, perhaps by then a better alternative might have come out or at least a half decent one. Still kinda mad at the fact that some people chose perftile as the only place to post content and then just disappeared meaning that a good chunk of decent ai art just got completely nuked with no way of recovering it unless the person comes back or I can find one of the few people who bought the packs in the first place. I tried my best to contact some people but only half of them responded.

Rance mc would be cool. I personally love the rance games alongside most alicesoft games.
I'm also of the opinion whenever we get a sweet update we might see more people interested in packmaking again, whenever that may be :v no rush. Or perhaps a discord server to attract some more long term members of the community idk if its been suggested before/.  would make it so that this long stretched conversation could happen in a matter of minutes instead of spread across days lol/ please people make more packs so i don't have to sit here with 100s of gbs of images that i cant sort through myself

and I also personally think AI will improve the economy in a positive way but also a word of caution to retail investors; since what usually accompanies optimism for technology is throwing all your money into stocks related Don't just throw all your money into AI growth stocks thinking you might make a ton of money quick because AI will be revolutionary.

The stock market will more than likely be the next big bubble that crushes optimistic people's savings if we get a similar result to what happened when the internet was created during the dot-com bubble. Always consider the risks of investing//


edit: i also forgot to mention if AI Makes anything possible right now what i want the most is an autotagging function even if it's wrong some of the times it would prob still save me a metric shitload of time.

Quote from: sjeongjin on Today at 02:25 AMedit: i also forgot to mention if AI Makes anything possible right now what i want the most is an autotagging function even if it's wrong some of the times it would prob still save me a metric shitload of time.

neronero made 1 last year.

Quote from: vadi92 on Today at 05:53 AM

Quote from: sjeongjin on Today at 02:25 AMedit: i also forgot to mention if AI Makes anything possible right now what i want the most is an autotagging function even if it's wrong some of the times it would prob still save me a metric shitload of time.

neronero made 1 last year.

oh shit somehow i missed this

Instructions for CLIP Interrogator based automatic tagging over here (assuming it still works, haven't tested in a while)

edit: just noticed vadi already linked it, lol. still need my morning coffee