Quote from: neronero on Apr 30, 2024, 01:42 PM

Quote from: sjeongjin on Apr 25, 2024, 06:51 AMit seems like it means that making packs will become infinitely more difficult for people living in the US and UK

I don't know about other packmakers, but I've always preferred using a booru imageboard such as gelbooru as a source for my images, even if they're mostly reuploads that originally came from pixiv or other sources. All the images on a booru are pre-tagged which really speeds up the collecting & tagging process. So for my typical workflow this doesn't make much of a difference, as long as the artists can find a new way to secure their exposure/income. (edit: which could be a big if, ofcourse)

Back in the day I liked using Gelbooru too but nowadays I find that they ban most ai cg which I think has recently gotten to the point where some people can make images that basically 1 to 1 mimics the source making anime based packs especially better. The japanese yen is also dirt cheap so talented people on perftile were selling sometimes like 300 packs for as cheap as 3$, the downside being having to sort through thousands of images and running out of space on my hard drive lol. Packs that were impossible to make 3 years ago because of lack of images are possible to make now with quality that beats packs of the most popular characters made 3 years ago. Boorus also tend to have too much missing content especially uncensored or paid content like on fanbox which you can find on exhentai so usually I use gelbooru nowadays mainly for grabbing content sourced from twitter and stuff like nude filters which you wont find from pixiv.

I 100% get the speed part though, trying to finish tagging thousands of images is suffering.

I just find it a shame particularly because it feels like not a lot of people are making packs anymore even though for the past few months with the improvement of ai it feels like there's never been a better time to make packs and with pixiv and perftile self censoring derivative content that chance might just disappear. I've been tracking where a lot of artists have been going and for the most part its either been go to patreon where about 70% of them get banned for derivative content if they get caught and the rest going to gumroad where you pay 5$ per pack instead of 5$ for 100s.

All in all it feels like a regression to the days where only really popular characters have a chance to make semi decent packs.

pixiv and perftile will certainly become less popular with these decisions, but I find it difficult to believe that AI image generation will become less popular or reduce in quality as a result. These tools keep evolving and new images will be created and shared every day. Every moment from now on will be the best time to make a new pack, I'm not too worried on that front   (I am worried that AI will displace half a billion jobs, but that's another matter)

The amount of packmakers must be some percentage of BK's active playerbase, and we're in a bit of a lull now for one reason or another. Hope Leortha is doing well, we miss him most of all.

Quote from: neronero on Today at 08:05 AMpixiv and perftile will certainly become less popular with these decisions, but I find it difficult to believe that AI image generation will become less popular or reduce in quality as a result. These tools keep evolving and new images will be created and shared every day. Every moment from now on will be the best time to make a new pack, I'm not too worried on that front   (I am worried that AI will displace half a billion jobs, but that's another matter)

The amount of packmakers must be some percentage of BK's active playerbase, and we're in a bit of a lull now for one reason or another. Hope Leortha is doing well, we miss him most of all.

Although I'm far from having any credibility or even forming any opinion on the topic, I find it interesting reading what some AI skeptics have been saying (like this one). If indeed AI increasingly feeds on itself, it's possible the quality will go down instead of up, and I can already imagine the nightmare of a self-fueling AI-led twitter. And it does seem like VC money is running out.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure my own job is safe, as it involves feeding bullshit to gullible execs, and AI can only help with that.

Quote from: Goldo on Today at 09:07 AMAnyway, I'm pretty sure my own job is safe, as it involves feeding bullshit to gullible execs, and AI can only help with that.

That's the scary thing... AI has the potential to help with almost everything, but that doesn't mean it will make things better.

Unlike the blockchain hype, its benefits are much more clear to me. I don't see AI 1:1 taking jobs from humans, but I do think AI can make a lot of people more productive and/or versatile at their craft and companies will need to fill less salaried positions to deliver the same amount of work.

AI has made me way more productive and less reliant on external partners for my output ïn so many ways. Brainstorming/concepting, image editing, illustrations & stock imaging, background music for video editing, traffic with clients and suppliers, emails to bullshit to the boss, translating an application into dozens of languages... Everything is faster and cheaper with the assistance of AI tools. I'm pretty sure I'd be coding like a champ too if my bosses required it. The community dialogue project would've taken 5-10x the amount of work without LLMs.

The output may not be quite as good as how we used to work (taking our time to work together with more human experts) - but if the company & clients consider it good enough, then it's good enough. My job used to to require collaboration with dozens of people on a regular basis, internal and external to the company. Either all those jobs are being condensed down into 1 jack-of-all-trades employee collaborating with AI on many fronts, or everyone in the chain will have to 10x their output to prove they're still worth collaborating with.

I think for now the missing piece of the puzzle is quality control. If you can outsource your work to an AI, but 10% of the time, it hallucinates and produces bullshit, you still have to check its work every time. So you still need the human eye for anything serious.

I was surprised recently talking to a friend who's a freelance translator. I was sure he was losing business to AI, but he told me actually he didn't feel a noticeable effect. That's because when companies pay him to do a translation, it's for important stuff they can't afford to have an AI mess up. The unimportant stuff has been left for a long time to Google translate.

So I see a couple of ways this could go: either AI keeps progressing in leaps and bounds, and it will become its own corrector, but that will raise a lot more questions than just job disruptions (anyone wants an AI doctor or AI lawyer?). Or it will hit a glass-ceiling, because of technical or funding limitations, and the disruption will be similar in scope to the introduction of the search engine: a facilitator for many jobs, but not necessarily replacing many.

Looks like there's a Rance Lora: Someone more gifted than me could redo all the MC pictures to be Rance-like