[Jman]

Well, these packs are considerably better than most AI art I see, and fill in niche tags quite nicely.

Overall, there are three problems I have: 1) the censorship - I can take some amount of it if the image is hot, but quite a few of these have so much it detracts from an even otherwise OK pic, 2) low resolution - to the degree that the pixellation is really starting to be noticeable (good for pack size, though), 3) the overall impression is a bit 'flat' and samey, compared to quality hand-drawn stuff.

Something like Ayase's 'big group sex collar (00000)' is a welcome change to the samey-ness. And Kirono's 'big fetish sub bondage gag (00000)' and 'big bisexual (00000)' are really nice. If that's AI, whoever made it has got something really impressive going on.

[sjeongjin]

Censorship will always be a problem with japanese media. Part of the reason I help people move to discord and patreon is to bypass the censorship. It's working so far and over time i should be able to replace all censorship with uncensored art. I also go out of my way to dm pretty much every person i see to ask if they can provide or sell me uncensored versions of art. I get a reply back usually and its 50/50 cant risk the law and sure you can have it for free. It DOES suck that the image duplicate checking software deletes the uncensored art over censored art because the file size is bigger and that i have no idea how many uncensored art packs it deleted because checking would mean i would have to go through 400 gbs worth of zip files. I noticed that bit too late.

Low resolution is something that i've been trying to get rid of but since i don't have time to test the images in game, i can only go off of how good it looks when viewed in the tagging tool and no one ever tells me if the images i have need fixing so i gotta find out myself. 3. Conformity in art style is actually one of the goals i've been going for. Trying to get the art to look as close to the source material as possible is what i wanted :3.  after all if the styles are too widely different it may as well be two different girls

The ayase image is ai cg. The two kirino ones i think  are part of either an art or game cg pack/ if i remember correctly.

[Jman]

There are also different kinds of censorship. Small mosaics and tasteful black bars are one thing, 20% of the image being covered by a pixel-blurred dong is another.


Consistent art is one thing, but the same naked chick with a same-ish expression over and over again is also kinda bland. There's a lot of smaller stuff that can spice it up without changing too much: background, overall image tone, lighting, (shreds of) different clothing, tan/no tan, hair ornaments, etc etc. I've noticed that once an AI artist gets a good facial expression, it tends to propagate a lot. Even technically different emotions start to look kinda same.



I realised that Ayase is AI, it's just a different flavour of image than most of the rest of the pack, so it's a welcome change.


Kinda doubted the cow pen and spreader bar were AI. Too many well-drawn little details. Ones that fit tightly to the body, too.

[sjeongjin]

from what i understand creating mosaics for each image when you generate hundreds is painful work. Some people get lazy and just put up a thick mosaic and call it a day. I asked a guy once if he could reduce it and he said hell no. well sometimes i don't have a good image so i have to use an image that just has one large blurred mosaic for a dick. Like the bisexual service/handjob one...

also when it comes to different emotions,, bk doesn't really have a way to show a ton of different emotions through different tags. which is what i've been complaining about for a week or two now lol. there's really no point in me paying for an image request that won't show in up in game anyways :/ or won't really fit with the other images. to be fair there are quite a few expressions people can play with using ai but the one's that get shown the most often are also because those are the expression sets people like to see on pixiv hence they get requested the most. I'm fighting back in my own way back i can't beat the tide alone lol

also i actually tend to cut a lot of images that use too much lighting because it's a cheap way for some creators to mask the fact that they generate images using crappy Nvida gpus lol. i only know a couple REALLY good ai cg creators. the rest kinda just use Novel AI. But hey i use plenty of different cosplays/tan/some hair changes in my images! it's just hard to notice between the 1100+ image count!>

[Jman]

It's not so much about fitting expressions to a specific situation - rather, it's about variety. If you see largely similar images for everything, the allure starts to fade. You can have her smile a bit in one image from one angle, frown in the second, and be half-hidden by a kiss or pillow in the third. Keeps it fresh. BK overloads you with images over the normal course of the game anyway, it's better to alleviate the tedium rather than contribute to it.

[sjeongjin]

also custom requests are expensive! it costs too much money to get the backround/lighting/expression/cosplay/sex pose that you want. Trust me i know because i've paid for them! some of the best images in the packs are prob requests i had custom made

also the result of my face poll was pretty much 28 to 6 :p I guess you would have preferred the pack where i DIDNT discard hundreds of hot images because the girls face didn't show up lol/ I'll keep it in mind when i update the asuna pack. Perhaps i'll add in a rock or two.

[Jman]

Yeah, a cheaper pack is better than no pack because of expensive perfectionist requests.

Hand drawn packs with hundreds of different artists have this kind of variety by default, so maybe that's why it sticks out so much.

I regularly looked at 'default' images where I had personally removed the face, so I'm obviously fine with faceless booty.

[sjeongjin]

i should also mention that there are actually quite a lot of AI cg styles. When a tag gets saturated enough though i discard the ones that look least like the original art which is part of the reason everything looks more similar.

My goal was to build a pack where the character design at least looks similar throughout the pack regardless of fixation. It's not possible with current ai tech though because the hardest fixations aren't supported for all characters. also i've been told that 69 too difficult to generate which is why there's a lack of it LOL. It's legit easier to create fisting and bestiality images than 69.

ai cg models focus a lot on the girl so any position that focuses too much also on the man is tough to generate > go figure.
human skill is actually pretty important in generating more complex positions so even if there's a demand, the supply side is too difficult right now.


I ALSO want to mention that back in 2020 the ayase and kirino packs were no more than like 150~320 images at most so i feel like the the luxury of choosing how you want to build a pack is so much greater than before I regularly cut thousands of images compared to the past where i just threw whatever i could find into  a folder

[sjeongjin]

geh i suppose for asuna pack you would also prefer to see different version such as ALO/stacia/ versions. I always hated adding her ALO version because of the blue hair color difference lol.  :v
normally i toss those images out in a heartbeat

[Jman]

Stacia is a minor costume change. The elf version is a major makeover, true. Maybe file it under 'cosplay'?

I'm more into variety and sexy art than a thousand consistent images, if you haven't noticed yet.

[sjeongjin]

Stacia is a minor costume change. The elf version is a major makeover, true. Maybe file it under 'cosplay'?

I'm more into variety and sexy art than a thousand consistent images, if you haven't noticed yet.

what you don't know is that i normally like to discard the "minor" stacia costume change as well LOL i don't like the hair accessories. I suppose the cosplay tag does exist. i'll abuse the hell out of it once i modify the tool more.

I wonder if you can categorize  art that's so different from the original you can't really recognize the girl as "cosplay" as well lol

[Jman]

Well, fursuits are also technically cosplay, so...


If you have enough Elfsuna images, maybe make a separate pack for her? Like Leortha made different versions of Harley Quinn at one point.

[sjeongjin]

Well, fursuits are also technically cosplay, so...


If you have enough Elfsuna images, maybe make a separate pack for her? Like Leortha made different versions of Harley Quinn at one point.

yeah i prob actually do have enough for a separate pack i just always knew deep down inside i didn't want to MAKE a seperate pack because asuna's pack has always cost me the most money/time/effort because of how popular she is lol. It would be crazy to do the work 2x. Just simply going through all the images on pixiv for her took me several days.

[Jman]

Well, depends on if you've already thrown away all the knife-eared Asunas or not. If you got them for 'free' with the rest, it's not too bad, is it?

If you need to do the prep work again, I can see why you'd not want to do that.

[sjeongjin]

well some packs come with them in a mix/ but most of the times if I see the pack including a variant i just don't buy it or i don't download it because it costs money/takes up storage space lol . I also tend to skip pixiv posts that focus on the variant versions and just go through the ones with normal asuna.

There are however some ALO versions somwhere,  i would just have to find all the zip files again since i don't sort them by variant but i just name them all Asuna and place them under the person i received them from.

It would honestly be more effective to just search for the variant versions on pixiv. Locate good ones. Figure out if i purchased a membership from the artist (which is likely if they make multiple versions of asuna in different posts) and then look through the artists folder to find the specific zip file. it's usually what i do when i lose track of what zip files i have yet to extract.