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Girl Pack discussion thread

Started by Leortha, May 09, 2022, 09:45 PM

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LeorthaTopic starter

Is Goldo the sole developer?   Mostly.   Officially yes, but he will absorb submissions for events and so on if presented them and he does not have a problem with them.   Best to get his approval on the general idea of a submission before you waste time on something that he would not approve.  Or you can create mods and/or forks that would never become a part of the core game like Trait King or Bonanza.

As for girl pack ratings, they mean a bit different.  The A-D and +/- are effectively independent, meaning separate things.   A-D reflects the breadth of the images in a pack, and +/- reflects the depth of the images.

For Breadth, A-D reflects what percentage of the potential tag combinations are covered by the pack.   SO an A rating means that more combinations have at least one image represented than a B rating.

For Depth, the +/- reflects the average repetition there is for the tags.   A pack that has a low number of pics per tag/tag combination would get a lower +/- ranking than a pack that had many, many images.
Mega link for all my Brothel King girl packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/Fcg2lBID#yKalC_e47WAS8jsbHPyOvQ

Mega link for my loli packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/BMwizTwD#89Lqk4Q2cFxFNVQEzTzXDg

Ch12

Quote from: Leortha on May 31, 2022, 02:54 AMWhen I split for numbers I use a method that just focuses on splitting the pack as evenly and smoothly as possible.   Think of it as taking one pack of 1000 pics and ending up with two 500 pic packs.   It's more complicated than that, but that gives the general idea.   The idea is to create 2 packs that are functionally similar, even though they have a different mix of pics of the same character.
I technically understand what you mean, but fail to see the point. If you split e.g. Yor, wouldn't it even be possible to have two Yor's at the same time among your girls? (with different sets of images, but still) BK usually tries very hard to avoid generating new girls based on ones you already own.

Anyway, personally I would probably simply join the 2+ packs back into one. If it's additional effort (which I'm sure it is, if you want to keep the packs balanced) I doubt it is worth it.
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LeorthaTopic starter

As far as the game is concerned, they are separate packs, separate girls.  ABC1 and ABC2.  I've done it in my game and it works just fine.

That said, noone has spoken up for it, so I've gone ahead and released the base pack for Yor and am not currently planning to bother splitting it up.
Mega link for all my Brothel King girl packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/Fcg2lBID#yKalC_e47WAS8jsbHPyOvQ

Mega link for my loli packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/BMwizTwD#89Lqk4Q2cFxFNVQEzTzXDg

zotscheetter

Don't know who to ask atm, since it's been a while that I've made any packs for this game but currently working on a new one again. Would it be possible to add a 'contains videos' field in the girl pack spreadsheet?

LeorthaTopic starter

Quote from: zotscheetter on Jun 01, 2022, 08:05 PMDon't know who to ask atm, since it's been a while that I've made any packs for this game but currently working on a new one again. Would it be possible to add a 'contains videos' field in the girl pack spreadsheet?

I have write access to the sheet, but not ownership.   And I don't know how that whole thing works anywhere near enough to even think about trying to edit the layout.   I also forget who is the actual owner of the sheet.
Mega link for all my Brothel King girl packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/Fcg2lBID#yKalC_e47WAS8jsbHPyOvQ

Mega link for my loli packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/BMwizTwD#89Lqk4Q2cFxFNVQEzTzXDg

neronero

#20
Quote from: zotscheetter on Jun 01, 2022, 08:05 PMDon't know who to ask atm, since it's been a while that I've made any packs for this game but currently working on a new one again. Would it be possible to add a 'contains videos' field in the girl pack spreadsheet?
I've made packs with 1 video file and packs with almost 400 videos and they would technically both check that box, so I would prefer a "Video Count" field if this is introduced.
And while we're considering new fields, a few others could be up for consideration such as "Has Extended Tags" (supporting the "beach" event could be a minimum requirement to comply) & "Has Custom Events"

But before all that, we're also eager to find a volunteer who is willing and able to invest the time needed to manage and maintain the spreadsheet. Removing outdated links, updating older entries that have incomplete information, etc. That becomes especially important if we decide to add new fields.
My Girl Packs: [ link ] - Trait King mod: [ link ]

Ch12

Regarding new fields, I like neronero's ideas. Video Count would be more useful. As creator of the extended tags, I naturally support that field as well. ;) And the custom events field would be a great way to easily find "code samples" if you want to create your own girlpacks.

Problem is the "Before all that" part. (Which I agree is the more pressing concern) So, I wouldn't want to put my hopes on the magical volunteer. Even if we do find them, there's no guarantee that they will stick with the job for years to come.

Personally, I think this should be a community effort as far as possible. I think the submission form is a great example for how it can work. I didn't even know about the submission form until a few days ago, and still some good people entered most of my girlpacks there.

Because of that, I want to ask what possibilities might exist to also "communalize" the updating process of entries. Is it e.g. possible to make a second form that would allow editing of entries? I understand that editing is a bit risikier, because it can potentially overwrite/destroy data, while the existing form only adds information on top.
Or maybe something involving a Wiki?
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Belldandy, Urd, Kaenbyou Rin, Jessica Albert, Kino Makoto (Sailor Jupiter), Temari, Tohsaka Rin, Pyra, Lyndis, Atago, Zelda

LeorthaTopic starter

If you were not aware of the submission form, then there is another element of the document that you are likely not aware.   There is a hidden third tab.   Technically it's the first tab.   The third tab is the actual code data tab.   The two tabs that are visible are just reflections of the data on the hidden tab.   The data on the visible tabs is updated from the hidden tab.

What this means is that, to update data you do not edit the visible tabs.   You update the data on the hidden tab, and then you trigger an update of the visible tabs.  If you update the visible tabs directly your changes will be erased the next time that the visible tab is updated.

A wiki would be very nice.   We have to be careful of where it is hosted.   And we have to be careful of the TOS.  We are a NSFW game that allows loli girl packs.   We could get away with not having any NSFW images, but even the listing of loli packs would violate the TOS on many hosting sites.  But overall a wiki would allow us to illustrate packs.   I would prefer to not use NSFW images to illustrate packs anyway.   TO me illustrating packs is about showing who the character is, not about showing off NSFW imagery of the character.
Mega link for all my Brothel King girl packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/Fcg2lBID#yKalC_e47WAS8jsbHPyOvQ

Mega link for my loli packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/BMwizTwD#89Lqk4Q2cFxFNVQEzTzXDg

Ch12

Thanks for the info. Thing is, "Show Form Responses" is greyed out, so I cannot even switch to that tab, let alone edit anything there.

I tried "updating" one of my entries through the response form, but all it did was create a second copy. Might it be possible to update an authors entry? (with e.g. a combination of Author, Girl Name, Franchise as key)

A wiki does sound useful. However, you raise a lot of good questions. To be honest, I think the existing spreadsheet does its job quite fine. If there's a way to enable updates, I think it would be the easier option. Also, in case anything ever happens, it should be really easy to restore a single spreadsheet. (compared to something advanced like a wiki - or a forum.)
Download My High Quality Girlpacks
Belldandy, Urd, Kaenbyou Rin, Jessica Albert, Kino Makoto (Sailor Jupiter), Temari, Tohsaka Rin, Pyra, Lyndis, Atago, Zelda

LeorthaTopic starter

I think you need a certain level of write access to the sheet to be able to hide/unhide the hidden form.   It's a good bit more raw than the public forms, so IMHO it's best that it stays hidden.   It would confuse people a lot if they saw it and did not know what was up with it.

What did you end up with doubled.   I do have full write access to it, so I can delete the duplicate row.

As for the ability to update via the form, it's likely possible, but it would have a number of difficulties.   Currently I don't think there is any ownership for rows.  So there is no way to track who should have access to which rows.   And letting anyone update any row is setting up for malicious edits.  That's why there are so few people with write access.

As for wikis, it depends on what software is used.  Media-wiki, for instance, has a way to create backup data blobs of the state of the wiki.  So weekly backups or such would protect nicely from major loss.  Or give the ability to migrate from location to location easily enough. 
Mega link for all my Brothel King girl packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/Fcg2lBID#yKalC_e47WAS8jsbHPyOvQ

Mega link for my loli packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/BMwizTwD#89Lqk4Q2cFxFNVQEzTzXDg

LeorthaTopic starter

#25
Quote from: zotscheetter on Jun 04, 2022, 04:25 PMStill can't figure out how to embed an image from imgur so if anybody knows how, feel free to send me a message

1) Upload the image to Imgur.  https://imgur.com/upload
2) Get the link directly to your image.  How to do this is browser-specific.  In Firefox I use right-click -> Show image in new tab then I grab the link from that new tab.
3) Use the highlighted icon from below in the reply area of this forum.  For illustration images I tend to use 300X300 as the size.  Edit: Apparently inputting a size is required.

Mega link for all my Brothel King girl packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/Fcg2lBID#yKalC_e47WAS8jsbHPyOvQ

Mega link for my loli packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/BMwizTwD#89Lqk4Q2cFxFNVQEzTzXDg

zotscheetter

#26
Quote from: Leortha on Jun 04, 2022, 04:52 PM
Quote from: zotscheetter on Jun 04, 2022, 04:25 PMStill can't figure out how to embed an image from imgur so if anybody knows how, feel free to send me a message

1) Upload the image to Imgur.  https://imgur.com/upload
2) Get the link directly to your image.  How to do this is browser-specific.  In Firefox I use right-click -> Show image in new tab then I grab the link from that new tab.
3) Use the highlighted icon from below in the reply area of this forum.  For illustration images I tend to use 300X300 as the size.



Yep is exactly what I do but the image just doesn't seem to show up.

[EDIT:] It seems that the 300x300 is required. It works now, thx!

neronero

@Leortha In the Girl Pack Spreadsheet, could you update the download links of all my entries to link to this folder instead: https://mega.nz/folder/thxV3KBR#XdDdY1l3iMhx84KrAL6KGw

Pack Creator: _neronero
My Girl Packs: [ link ] - Trait King mod: [ link ]

LeorthaTopic starter

Mega link for all my Brothel King girl packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/Fcg2lBID#yKalC_e47WAS8jsbHPyOvQ

Mega link for my loli packs:

https://mega.nz/folder/BMwizTwD#89Lqk4Q2cFxFNVQEzTzXDg

Albatross

For FederalAgent I wanna try some of your packs but why are they so heavy?  :o