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[Feedback] Gameplay and Balance discussion

Started by Goldo, May 18, 2022, 02:32 PM

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GoldoTopic starter

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AlolanNinetales

Quote from: Goldo on Mar 22, 2024, 09:19 AM
Quote from: Alpha_and_omega on Mar 19, 2024, 02:00 PMWhat the heck are Wyvern Eggs ?

Ive been playing this game for well over a year and haven't seen this in the game LMAO how does one acquire?

GoldoTopic starter

Quote from: AlolanNinetales on Mar 26, 2024, 09:57 AM
Quote from: Goldo on Mar 22, 2024, 09:19 AM
Quote from: Alpha_and_omega on Mar 19, 2024, 02:00 PMWhat the heck are Wyvern Eggs ?

Ive been playing this game for well over a year and haven't seen this in the game LMAO how does one acquire?

My bad, I see I actually disabled that item for normal shop generation. I will add a couple of ways to get it in the new update.
Maker of BK. Looking for the latest patch for BK 0.2? The link doesn't change, so bookmark it!

Mudpony

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As far as game play and balance goes, the single biggest issue that stands out for me is completing the first chapter.

To complete chapter 1, you need 1k gold, and you probably won't have much saved up other than that. Your girls are rank 1, so weak in various ways, so not big money makers. You only have 4-6 girls, and until you make an upgrade, only 4 can work, and one or two of those will likely be resting. You have limited upgrades on your first brothel, so you don't get much money from selling it. Upgrading your new brothel in terms of rooms costs quite a bit. And then various things can happen, like an injury, so you're suddenly down a girl and revenue drops. Or one of those fire/bar-fight events, which adds 100 to messiness to your place, and it costs a ton of money to clean it up. Also, there's no warning that girls are set to work in rooms that you had in the old place, but no longer exist in the new one, which can result in another day of lost work. And, of course, you lose all your customer base and have to build that back up.

It is a situation where you likely have low cash on hand, a high need of cash, a low ability to earn it, and are very much at risk of a random event ending everything. It wouldn't surprise me is this is one of the most frequent points at which a newer player will stop playing the game.

If you have experience with the game, it is less of an issue. You know to save a bit more before-hand. You know what to invest in to get your revenue back up the fastest. You know you can harvest the three resources and sell them to provide the income your brothel isn't giving you, though this then eats up your actions, which sucks for a less speed focused character. You know to max out the advertising budget the first couple of days. But it is, overall, the worst/hardest point in the game, even with experience, and subsequent change locations are trivial in comparison.

Some suggestions to help:
1) The clean up costs should be considerably lower for the earlier brothels, increasing as time goes up, and/or the amount of dirtiness added by fires/bar brawls should also be dependent on where you are in the game.
2) The costs to upgrade that 2nd brothel could stand to be a bit lower, Especially for unlocking each working room at rank 1, just to make it easier for the player to get back to rank 1.
3) The upgrades to your bedroom (how many girls you can have assigned there) should carry over.
4) A pop up warning when you have a girl assigned to work in a room you don't have, similar to how threat level ones work.
5) And maybe a bit more cash given to the player to start with. Perhaps requiring a raising of the 1k amount to 1500 or so.

And that said, not a big fan of the cost to unlock a new zodiac sign for a girl. It takes two points, which often, combined with the rank caps, leaves you with 1 point lingering, and a constant "you have girls to level up" indicator. And also that annoying indicator when you are just saving the point to get the 2nd point you need. And once you invest those two points... you get nothing. You need a third point before you can finally get some benefit. I'd rather only get 1 point at level 5, 10, and so on, and have the unlock cost 1. Also, some minor benefit to having the sign unlocked.

Quote from: Calob on Feb 23, 2024, 07:15 PM...What, you hate free maintenance and lower upkeep? Those are, IMO, the first- and second-best C-rank perks, maybe after free items in Fox.
I find the tree pretty bad overall as well. Part of it is because a chunk of the tree is faster skill gains. That's all well and good, but ultimately, once a girl caps her skills, dead perks. Same deal with Loyalty, except that loses value even faster. And while +1 maintenance is not bad, it also loses value as you progress through the game. So in the tree, there is a lot of rather small and short term benefit, rather than a long term one that scales nicely.

But another big part is that I generally play wizard. That means two things. First, I get the Magic Servants spell. That's -50 dirt per point of spirit per day, which is insane even if it provided half of that. Needless to say, once you have this spell, dirt is not an issue. Second, there's Magic Shield, another spell, which means the first instance of a girl getting hurt is negated. Which cuts heavily into the Survivor B rank thing as well. When you combine that with the skill gains being a short term thing, it doesn't leave much value left to the tree.

That said, it isn't necessarily bad that, as a Wizzy, I have less value to this sign or that sign. Helps differentiate the player classes. But even so, I think the Maid could stand to be a bit better. For example:
1) Maid Training could give +1 to Brothel Maintenance per rank, so at rank B, it would provide 2 points of Maintenance, 3 at A, and so on. Alternately, have it provide +1 Maintenance for every point spent in the Maid tree, so that the benefit reflects the training in maid stuff, rather than just the girl's rank. Or, as a third option, it doubles every time you reach a new rank within the tree. So 1 to start with, 2 once you get your first B rank Maid skill, and 4 once you have Strive for Perfection. Any of these would help this trait scale as you move through the game.
2) I'd rather see Hardworking provide an income increase to waitressing, rather than a JP increase. Or perhaps in addition to it. Bring on the maid cafes!
3) Loyalty needs something. A chance of love gain (an inverse Spiteful), maybe? A reduction in the cost of using "Clean up" in the Brothel menu, to make it cheaper to bounce back from bad events, as her loyalty to your establishment means she helps in the cleanup? Perhaps her cleaning extends to the other girls' rooms, adding to their comfort value?
4) Strive for Perfection could double the bonus of Maid Training. She's not in training anymore. She's a master. If the third option for #1 isn't used, of course.