Normally when i'm doing a girl's pack i face some questions, and can't figure out the best thing to do, or atleast want more opinions on what to do.

Imagine we have a very few or generic PROFILE pictures for every role.
With generic i mean, the girl is using his normal clothes and doesn't match in anyway with geisha/dancer/etc
So in this case, is better to tag the images with respectives roles?
EX: Profile + Waitress (if is a Waitress image)
Or just tag the image as PROFILE and forget the role part?

I saw people doing both things in some cases, so i want to hear opinions on this.
If i'm correct, when you have a girl with the role WAITRESS the game prioritizes the images with the role tag in the profile.

Imagine we don't have WIDE images to show when the girl is WORKING
This is a common problem i have. I find enought images for profile/roles, but not for working, i asume the working images should be more WIDE than the profile one.

What to do in this case?

Opinions on censored images?
I don't like to use censored images, but in most cases they add variety and weird tags.

The tag-searching algorithm in BK is pretty complicated, but I think these are the basics for jobs:

- While the girl is performing a job, it'll just search for the job, eg: "waitress". Wide pictures are better here, but most people don't bother resizing or finding specific widths for the occasion.

- For her profile picture, it'll search for "profile" + NOT ["dancer", "masseuse", "geisha"] (all the jobs she doesn't have)
A big reason why wide pictures are discouraged for profile pics is so that multiple free-girls can stand next to each other on the street. But this is not much of an issue here as profile pics with jobs tags are excluded from appearing in the city, with the exception of "geisha".

In general I'd recommend applying tags based on what you see in the image (eg: "waitress" if she looks like she's working as a waitress, add "profile" if it looks like she could also just be standing around waiting for the brothel to open) and let Goldo worry about how to surface the right pictures in the right places.

Quote from: neronero on Jul 20, 2023, 11:42 PMThe tag-searching algorithm in BK is pretty complicated, but I think these are the basics for jobs:

- While the girl is performing a job, it'll just search for the job, eg: "waitress". Wide pictures are better here, but most people don't bother resizing or finding specific widths for the occasion.

- For her profile picture, it'll search for "profile" + NOT ["dancer", "masseuse", "geisha"] (all the jobs she doesn't have)
A big reason why wide pictures are discouraged for profile pics is so that multiple free-girls can stand next to each other on the street. But this is not much of an issue here as profile pics with jobs tags are excluded from appearing in the city, with the exception of "geisha".

In general I'd recommend applying tags based on what you see in the image (eg: "waitress" if she looks like she's working as a waitress, add "profile" if it looks like she could also just be standing around waiting for the brothel to open) and let Goldo worry about how to surface the right pictures in the right places.

Thanks for answer.

Maybe is me don't understanding well the search algoritm.
But for variety, when we have few images, won't be better just tag only PROFILE without roles?
That way the game will cycle all images for every role in profile. Instead of having only 3-4 images per role.

Also, whats your opinion in using censored images?

My 2 cents:

• In general, I encourage taggers to tag WYSIWYG. The underlying logic of the game can always be fine-tuned to avoid unwanted results; but a bunch of mis-tagged images (such as 'waitress' pictures that doesn't actually match a waitress context) is going to cause problems in the long run that will be pretty hard to fix unless the girlpack creator updates their pack. Also, in the event that another game wants to use the same girlpack system, it will save them a lot of headache if they can trust the tagging to match the picture, and not that it was done to 'manipulate the BK algorithm'.
  
  
• I personally don't care, like at all, about censored images, in fact most of the time my brain doesn't even register if a picture is censored or not. But I've seen people get raging mad about it on H forums. So I guess all kinds of people are out there. Still, I think if the choice is between a censored picture or no picture, I assume even the more radical anti-censorship crowd would agree having something is better than nothing. In addition, there is a new feature in BK 0.3 that will allow individual players to ignore girlpack pictures they dislike. So if someone really hates censorship, they will be able to ask the algorithm to ignore these pictures at their leisure.

A side note about wide pictures: I think that having the game detect automatically if a picture is wide or not is doable, so even though it's not on the roadmap for now we could at some point tweak the algorithm that decides on job pictures to give preference to wide images.

I don't like censored images, but if I think the image is a good addition despite that flaw then I'll include it anyways. Same case with bodypillow designs, black and white images, abnormally filthy watersports, images with text on them, etc.

Even if I weren't tagging WYSIWYG, I'm not so sure about the variety argument. You're adding more variety to the profile picture pool at the cost of their specificity (each job will look the same) AND at the cost of job performance picture variety. And usually generic profile pictures are way more abundant than job-specific images, so adding that variety to the job tags makes more sense to me.

Quote from: Goldo on Jul 21, 2023, 09:17 AMMy 2 cents:

• In general, I encourage taggers to tag WYSIWYG. The underlying logic of the game can always be fine-tuned to avoid unwanted results; but a bunch of mis-tagged images (such as 'waitress' pictures that doesn't actually match a waitress context) is going to cause problems in the long run that will be pretty hard to fix unless the girlpack creator updates their pack. Also, in the event that another game wants to use the same girlpack system, it will save them a lot of headache if they can trust the tagging to match the picture, and not that it was done to 'manipulate the BK algorithm'.
  
  
• I personally don't care, like at all, about censored images, in fact most of the time my brain doesn't even register if a picture is censored or not. But I've seen people get raging mad about it on H forums. So I guess all kinds of people are out there. Still, I think if the choice is between a censored picture or no picture, I assume even the more radical anti-censorship crowd would agree having something is better than nothing. In addition, there is a new feature in BK 0.3 that will allow individual players to ignore girlpack pictures they dislike. So if someone really hates censorship, they will be able to ask the algorithm to ignore these pictures at their leisure.

A side note about wide pictures: I think that having the game detect automatically if a picture is wide or not is doable, so even though it's not on the roadmap for now we could at some point tweak the algorithm that decides on job pictures to give preference to wide images.

Quote from: neronero on Jul 21, 2023, 10:19 AMI don't like censored images, but if I think the image is a good addition despite that flaw then I'll include it anyways. Same case with bodypillow designs, black and white images, abnormally filthy watersports, images with text on them, etc.

Even if I weren't tagging WYSIWYG, I'm not so sure about the variety argument. You're adding more variety to the profile picture pool at the cost of their specificity (each job will look the same) AND at the cost of job performance picture variety. And usually generic profile pictures are way more abundant than job-specific images, so adding that variety to the job tags makes more sense to me.

I will clarify the question a little more (to understand better the search algoritm), the situation is for example: i have only 1 picture PROFILE + WAITRESS, and a lot of generic pictures with PROFILE tag without a role.
In this case, will the game cycle all the generic images plus the one profile+waitress, or use always the only 1 profile+waitress picture?

Thanks 

It'll search for profile pictures that don't also include the tags masseuse, dancer or geisha. So it will cycle all generic profile pictures plus the profile+waitress picture.

Okay guys, i have more questions      :

I have a dilemma to tag MASTURBATE and TOYS.

When i have to tag MASTURBATE as NAKED and when as SERVICE?
Does matter if i check both?

This tag in the tag tool can be in both categories. But the tag tool says don't combine naked with sex acts, is that correct? i don't know how to do it 

Same with TOYS, Toys are in NAKED, ANAL, SEX and FETISH.

If she is using a dildo, and is alone, is a easy NAKED-TOY-DILDO. BUT Should i check SEX too?
Normally is hard to find a guy putting the dildo inside her, so don't know when i should check SEX or ANAL.
Fetish is slightly easier (normally the images are so fucking weird in this case)

Thanks for answer and sorry for possible bad english 

Quote from: kingthandra on Sep 20, 2023, 04:40 PMOkay guys, i have more questions      :

I have a dilemma to tag MASTURBATE and TOYS.

When i have to tag MASTURBATE as NAKED and when as SERVICE?
Does matter if i check both?

This tag in the tag tool can be in both categories. But the tag tool says don't combine naked with sex acts, is that correct? i don't know how to do it 

The game's tag dictionary comments "# Most masturbating pics should be tagged service." but I personally tend to only add "service" if she's clearly doing it to appease a viewer/master/customer, and "naked" if she's just doing it as a fun past-time without an audience.

All sex acts are assumed to be naked, so the "naked" tag is not needed there and moreso intended as a way to distinguish nudity outside of sexual encounters. That's why the Tagging Tool recommends not combining them.

Quote from: kingthandra on Sep 20, 2023, 04:40 PMSame with TOYS, Toys are in NAKED, ANAL, SEX and FETISH.

If she is using a dildo, and is alone, is a easy NAKED-TOY-DILDO. BUT Should i check SEX too?
Normally is hard to find a guy putting the dildo inside her, so don't know when i should check SEX or ANAL.
Fetish is slightly easier (normally the images are so fucking weird in this case)

According to the game: "# Toy will be used inside and outside the farm (unless used with machine). Mostly used with service (masturbation) or fetish (administered by someone else)." - So service/mast if she's masturbating, and usually fetish if someone else is toying with her.

But for lesbian sexual encounters I often add anal/sex depending on where the toy is inserted, because in those cases I can assume that the game won't confuse it with something else being inserted in those holes.